I've noticed there are a lot of feature requests being found all over the community – walls, forums, chat, etc.
It can be quite hard to keep track of what members are requesting, so I took the initiative of starting this discussion where feature requests can be made and Meng will be able to respond accordingly on whether or not those certain features will be introduced.
I agree that it definitely functions positively in it's current state — initiating interaction. If an option was available though, whereby the users could switch according to their own preference that would please both audiences.
Oh let's not even compare it to the way those communities progressed in their early stages. SN is on a whole separate platform with values and respect between it's members, which is hard to find in web based social communities in our current time.
When browsing the newest or popular pictures I think it would be useful to be able to jump to older pictures quickly instead of having to skip 15 images at a time. On dA I usually manipulate the URL to do that but that doesn't work here. Maybe we can have a jump button like the one cameras have to flip through the pictures. Clicking on it could let you choose to jump e.g. 15, 150, 1500 pictures.
Moreover, what do you think about a 'random' page next to newest, popular and featured?
Another idea: Enabling users to share the wallpapers they use on their profile pages. Other users could then--at the click of a button--put a shared wallpaper on their own page. The ones who want to stay unique don't have to share ;)
User interface on the * in the nav isn't very intuitive. Perhaps arrows on the side instead, or something drawing your attention to the scrollability of the image gallery?
Also, I really like the idea of "levels" and adding the gaming nature to the site. However, the benefits aren't too great. Maybe add badges and consider more ideas to get people to return besides emoticons.
That's an excellent point and suggestion, Ravi. I think people like the idea, but I wasn't 100% satisfied with the way it is implemented -- although it adds a cool factor. Your suggestion about having arrows on the side could potentially be the solution. Either way, I'm working on a solution!
You're absolutely right about the levels not offering enough incentive. In fact, emoticons is only a starting point to those incentives. Feel free to make more suggestions!
How about an anonymous comment feature? It could be implemented in the form of a button saying 'Hit Me!', and users should have the choice if they want to enable it or not. If enabled, others can leave an anonymous comment, which will be sent to the addressee via email. Users still have to respect the netiquette but can be more direct at addressing flaws. Most of the time users don't want to be too harsh when giving critiques but receiving honest feedback is the only way to improve. Of course, those emails can be reported if they are offensive.
On Social media links, I think giving too many choices is like not giving enough. Right now we do have twitter, but not flickr. Maybe flickr would be the only good addition, but they don't have a good sharing platform in place.
There will be an emailing system -- similar to that of S7, but better. Not sure about the levels factor on that.
Yes, it will, but given the fact that our server is old, we'll have to upgrade that first. Video sharing is a bit intensive on server requirements.
Ravi: You're right, the integration of facebook and twitter will be much deeper than just link sharing. We'll be able to add twitter and facebook connect in our settings, and share automatically like Tumblr does.
I think something of a more advanced "Critique" feature like we used to have, so people who feel upto it can give a little more insight into why they like a certain image, this would also give the "Staff" more to think about when judging for features.
How about, on the settings page, there is a field of what type of artist you are, or use the existing 'work' field. And then when you're at browse/portfolios, there will be a search box where you can punch in what you're looking for, e.g. if i want to search for Portfolios of painters, or photographers etc.
I dont know if its just me here. In the feed there seems to 3-5 articles/posts on the same picture/group etc. What if there was a possibility to have all the recent feeds for that certain post have a drop down with lets say the most recent 5 replies/comments. This way the feed isnt full with the same topic like for example the other day with the pokemon group. could also leave the feed more open and fluid in seeing everything posted in terms of pieces put up.
When u update your image for example WIP's instead of uploading a new image (Even though you can change image already) make it when u update it sends a thing to the feed that your image has been updated ^^
say one reply on your profile or something get's more than 5 replies maybe it closes on itself and to view all of them u click a button to view all the replies made to your reply? (Example just look at my profile I have a reply with like 8 replies =3)
I think the closing up on self part is similar to Facebook... were if u get lots of replies to a status update you can see like the latest 3-4 and rest will be hidden till you full view the status update or you click button that says "View all Comments"
Smarter searching for groups, images, etc. Like when someone searches "eb design, or the web design group" then the group "The Web Design Group" comes up. CUrrently you've got to search web-design, one word, all lower case or else you wont find it.
simply because its not accurate at all. I always reprocess them in PS on a new file for example, same with photos half the time. Its like when DA is showing with what camera you took your photos, it say a D40 instead of D300 only because i bypass the D300 meta when i upload them, using my D40 to retype some saved info.. complicated anyways.
i love the datas too... when its accurate. Problem is, "creation date" is the only thing you cant have any control of it.
Only suggestion i could give you to keep this one data up if you really want, would be to rethink a little bit the upload process. You was talking about ArtLimited the other day, could always keep that in mind, without going insane on the question and information gathering. A more sophisticated upload system but still simple, file - simple questions (creation date) - title - done
When mass uploading, having the option of being able to sort out each individual upload instead of uploading 1 to one folder, then going back and to another folder etc. Also being to edit the upload name and description :)
Tags or some kind of category system, to pin point different art on the site. E.g. digital painting, vector, photography, etc etc. I think its very important. And after all it will help searching also.
Finns ideas(dont take offense to any of them, just some quick ideas!)
Being able to feature some of your own pieces on your page, being able to make them stand out more
A feature that you can re-organize your albums and your pictures in the albums in a different order
a CSS customizable layout! that would be cool but probably hard to do ;o
^^^ maybe even a HTML box too, would be nice
Would be nice to have a separate page for About Me sort of things... as a tab maybe on each users page? I would like to include more stuff but it feels a bit crammed atm
A tab for the forum would also be nice at the top, maybe easier to navigate(or if your going for a simple look, maybe not!)
Instead of having people post their facebook IDs, and their portfolio, twitter etc, how about icons that link to their twitters, MSNs, AIMs that you can just click on in their profile. these can be set up in the settings panel :D
Option to DOWNLOAD an image by an artist(the artist can have control over whether they want someone to DL it or not)
FTP Uploading (i can explain this more if you dont know what FTP is, but i think ya do)
So, after you start getting tons of users at this site, I think it would be beneficial for users who are high ranking in the site (some level like 6+?) to be able to make chat rooms, only active when those users are online. Not sure how complicated this would be, some could be private, or not, but it would help out as im sure the chatbox is going to get more crowded as you go through the months, accumulating more users. These groups could be approved by the staff before they come into existence.
Also, I just accidentally deleted a comment by Rinn on my page, when I was trying to respond to her. Would be cool to have a "really delete?" popup when you delete something? or at least when its so close to the reply button, or maybe im just a spaz
While viewing an art work, I know there are back, forward and zoom button already at the bottom, but I am trying to be fancy, is there anyway you can, divide the image out, while you click the left on the image it will go back, middle of the image is zoom, and right of the image is next?
finn: we'll have the ability to create chatrooms, for sure.
As for deleting, you're right... I'll do some popup.
Dehk: I see your point, but I think it's more intuitive to have the whole image being click to go to next. In fact, I'm sure people are so used to that now bc of facebook.
It's counter intuitive to make behaviours like next and back in some areas of the image without having a tooltip, and I hate tooltips because it annoys the viewing. Plus, it would make the arrows pretty useless.
One thing hit me earlier, concerning the chat. I don't know if its possible to even put in but here goes. Imagine a user typing like :Martin or similar in order to get my attention on the chat.. like if tricks types ":Martin have you bought any new kittens lately" that sentence becomes in like a highlighted color (the color only being visible for me). So that you have easier time to find a msg adressed to me. Of course people might not use that feature but its nice to have if they choose to do. and if tricks did type that, maybe the chat icon can have the (1) (new msg) etc in that same different color so that if i'm on another page than the chat section, i can see that someone has tried to reach me over the chat.
The color should then remain on the (1) (new msg) even tho it can say (12). Just to hint that somewhere down the line, one user has written something to me of those 12 latest unread messages.
I don't know if this is something to have but it was just a thought.. i'm not the webdesigner.. go figure! :P
I feel groups needs some love, they're not getting the activity they deserve! Some suggestions/requests/future ideas for Groups in general:
1) Ability to edit posts/topics and have some sort of "last edited by: x" -- I'm sure this is in the works anyway.
2) Ability to sort forum topics by Last Updated, Date Started, Most Replies, etc.
3) Some sort of indication that a topic has a new reply since you're last visit to the group. Maybe a little icon, or highlight.
4) An idea for the future: using Facebook Connect, use people's interests/activities to suggest what Groups you may like on SN.
5) When browsing /groups maybe have a tab to show which groups you're currently following. Maybe even a way to custom order them. Sometimes groups get shifted around and I can't find something right away.
6) When browsing /groups maybe have a "follow" button right there so you can follow multiple at one time. Unless you want to encourage people to actually GO to the group first before following then this it's currently fine.
7) Group permissions. Allow people to post pictures/topics freely, or the ability to give assign another member some group permissions to do this.
That's what I can think of on the top of my head. I'm sure you have them all written down though already, Meng :P
Ghostwheel: you can change names after the upload by going to "Edit" on the artwork. We're working on a way to give the option to name before the upload.
km2: You've got some very good ideas that are aligned with what I want. A lot of them won't make a big difference, but nice to have. But the main problem will be fixed when we have the tags system and the ability to add to groups from the artwork's page. I'm definitely working on connecting everything together. Sure, options are nice, but more importantly it's important to tight-knit everything together so people want to constantly navigate from one item to another without having to "search" for it. They will just find.
Any chance thinking about adding the picture filter back in the following feed. I think in the future it will be easier to keep track of what your friends uploading for the user, especially if the user only have specific kind of art / artist on their "following list". I know you have pictures up top, but, that wouldn't be enough room, for the future, if you follow a lot of people. Alternatively maybe a user can set how much new artwork it will display on the top of the feed.
Also, i have this crazy idea of setting a upper upload limit for everybody. Lets say 200 total for non subscribers. That's still a lot of photos really, but if i suggest 150 I might get bitched out. Anyways the idea is, lets say 200. If they fill up 200. That force them to rotate/add/delete *new* and *better* work. Also will save you room on your server. Let me know what you think about this wild idea.
I been thinking maybe having a simple help link on top like other sites do that just list basic, like did you know you can respond, create folder..etc nothing to detail just like a quick start on how to , I am just saying because we know this stuff because , we been catching your post meng, but just for new user might be a little lost at first hah,
Only thing I can suggest is a notification system. I don't want to routinely surfing my own art when I could be out browsing. However, a notification system. And to bring followed people into the loop, maybe picking a single status update a day from your friends. A single because some people like to chat via status updates and this would avoid constant notifications that aren't relevant to their gallery or life.
On that note, I kind of feel like the /new/messages should be in an easier place, it kind of gets lost when it's under "Feed" - Maybe add a "Messages" link to that link on the dropdown under your avatar?
Im going through my portfolio and there are some folders/albums i want to delete. Was wondering when we can get the option to delete that particular album so when i delete some work i dont have like 3 empty albums takin up space. no rush though
On the topic of wallpaper, could you implement (via jquery) a window dimensions script so that the wallpaper resizes and fits regardless of the end-users resolution? Something like I've done on http://www.jaffarkhorshidi.com/profile — resize the window and see what happens with the background.
In my opinion I think in settings you should remove the "What are you working on" because when you go update something if you don't remember it adds that again to your page :/ I believe it should be just left to if you want to write something on your page it will be your latest "What are you working on" or a different way of doing it.....
Basically you know how you have it so you can change the image on the image already submitted.... well if you change it that way either just below or above the description you could have past images on that image to basically show progression instead of having to upload many more images.....
So like if you are working on a WIP main image will be where the big display is but then past ones will be just below it, so that you can check the progression. ^-^
oh also if someone is not following your group on their profile page there could be a button that says add to.... with a dropdown box saying groups and basically choose the group you want to make them a member in ^-^
The side navigation which allows you to navigate your gallery folders could be worked on and actually made into basically a wigit system I guess you make options that people can select like journals for those who like to write and featured art ect....
Like instead of JUST navigating the gallery folders (Profile Page View) you give the options for stats ect.
Alright you know when you visit someones profile they have folders you can select from their gallery?
That's what I mean by Navigation but instead just one of those will say Gallery.... and whatever things you can think of can go there...... so like Journals, Favorite Work..... ummmm Featured Art, Favorites ANYTHING XD
So I've been using the "Topic" link on the mainpage to get to the forum since I couldn't really find a way to get here. Today I clicked on it and saw that there were a bunch of random posts and finally realized that I was now in the Indonesian group's forum. It was then that I figured out how I got there and how the topics link worked.
So I thought of some suggestions regarding topics link, groups, and forums.
- It would be helpful if the topics link some how only displayed forum posts that the user was following or groups that the user was a member of.
- Have a navigation link in the feed for the groups a user is subscribed to. Depending on the number of users the individual is subscribed to, the user may miss information being feed from a group.
- In the topics feed have text saying what forum the post is being drawn from instead of the group's icon. Currently the user has to already know what each groups icon is to know where the post is coming from.
- Maybe have a static link somewhere to the Shadowness Forum. This would just be convenient.
I know a lot of this would depend on structure of the site and how groups are constructed along with how the feeds work. I just think that these suggestions would make the site a little more userfriendly to unexperienced users.
- Revise the EXP system.
- Critique feature.
* Optional critiques
* Value system
* Reporting exp gaming
The current EXP system promotes useless commenting. Users are inclined to post useless comments on works as opposed to offering feedback, criticism, or technique suggestions.
The current EXP system rewards users for posting comments regardless of quality or length of the comment posted. There is no incentive for users to comment beyond the lengths of "OMG GREAT!". Rewarding useless commenting will severely degrade the quality of this site in the near future, as any artist looking to grow their skills and talents can receive such praise from practically anyone that can barely draw a stick figure.
A suggestion I have for this issue would be to revise the EXP system. Devalue comments so that they are not used excessively for no real purpose.
I also suggest that there be a critique feature implemented. This feature could allow the user to select if their piece was open to peer review. (seeing as some artists might not want any negative feedback or suggestions). As a way of preventing users from abusing this feature to gain EXP, the original poster would then rate the critique as either useful or not. If the crit is rated as useful full points are awarded, if labeled as not useful or never rated a reduced number of points is awarded. In order to prevent users from conspiring to game the exp system (by teaming up to crit each other's work and labeling useless posts as useful) a report system could be implemented.
The current path that Shadowness is on is reminiscent of the reasons many people have left similar networking sites. As such a unique collective of professional, amateur, and student artists I am inclined to believe that there would be some way to promote critical thinking in terms of critiques and analysis of the work displayed here. Critical thought combined with the welcoming arms of the people here will set shadowness apart from the other sites.
People here at Shadowness want real critique on some of their pieces. They want to improve, and the want a solid explanation of what's wrong with their pieces. Some of us are strongly desiring there to be a way to request critique. Perhaps through daily CRITIQUE post where we get to pigeon hole a few users' work or by having a critique option on our pieces.
The best critiques are long ones the give a complete explanation, not "I like red. You should've made the scarf red instead of blue." So, in order to keep critiques real, we would like the ability to rate our critics. That way, if they sucked at critiquing, they wouldn't get any points for their effort. But, on the other hand, if it was an amazing critique, for example Renyn's critique on this piece: http://shadowness.com/Ruairdridh/hd-preview-1-2 We would like to be able to reward them! For this I think he'd deserve something like 15 exp. or more for it.
And we know that this idea could be abused by people just wanting EXP, so maybe there'd be a way to police it somehow. Either way, people that give strong crits should be rewarded, and people should have a way of requesting harsh crits.
We will definitely revise the EXP system to encourage constructive criticism. However, we like to think that there is no "useless" commenting as you've put it. It is largely better than 0 and much necessary for the growth of the community.
We will deploy a team effort to encourage constructive criticism in the near future. Thanks for your feedback!
The only thing I'm afraid of if the artist can rate the critique is that if you step on the person's toes (some wants critique but not really a critique, get my drift) and might then rate it as useless regardless if it was awesome or not.
But other than that I say the same as /7Shadows :)
Well, Lookpoor's gone now, guys. Your response to our suggestion is quite honestly not an answer at all, but more of shrug-off of what people want here. This site is honestly a stupid idea if the whole point of it is to comment as much as possible and stroke each other's ego just to get EXP. I mean the whole idea of "racing to get as much comments in by the end of the day" is just promoting stupid feedback. Sure it might look "nice" and "friendly", but it's honestly just selfish gaming. Shadowness is in turn an RPG to gain EXP by commenting. Not supporting anyone but vector artists and photo-manipulations is making this place dry and a rather dull environment. Us traditional artists are the only ones active in the chat and yet no one really cares. It's stupid. We just lost a great guy, because of you wanting this site to look sleeker and sexy rather than working on benefiting the actual artist by critique and helpful feedback. No one comments on anything unless it's featured, utterly brilliant, or them just trying to get points.
The site is growing and it will require time to fix rising issues. I hope you can be patient with us. The system hasn't changed and yes, we do see a merit in commenting rather than zero feedback. Sorry if it displeases you. We try our best to respond to feedback.
How about a dedicated forum? The News and Community Topics are great, but I still feel there should be a standard message-board type forum around somehwere. I honestly had a hard time trying to figure out how to post a msg like that when I first started. It doesn't appear obvious that when you post messages in your group forum that it shows up as a Community Topic.